Veon 19" TV from the Warehouse.

[PeeCee]

I've been on the look out for a smaller TV with Freeview tuner for some
time now and hadn't found anything under 22"
It had to be under 22" to fit where I needed it to go.


Finally found some advertised in this weeks Warehouse junk mailer with a
'bring in your old telly for 20% off deal on their new Veon brand.

Two models under 22"
15.6" Transonic $249 (smaller screen, less inputs, no DVD = less value IMHO)
And 19" Veon with built in DVD player $299

Didn't do the trade in thing but bought one of the 19" Veon one's.
Salesman said the Veon brand was Chinese OEM (as one would expect) built
with Samsung or LG Panels.

Just set it up, initial thoughts:

Easy to set up, plugged it in, switched it on, hit enter on the remote
twice and it auto scanned for all the channels.

Has twin tuners Digital Freeview of course, and Analog which I find
brilliant as it means I can still watch SKY via RF out and the coax feed
through the house. Though naturally the RF feed does not compare well
quality wise with Freeview.

DVD player (slot feed) played a DVD R without problem.

Inputs:
* Analog TV
* Freeview TV
* Media (USB)
* AV (L - R & Video)
* PC (VGA 1366 x 768)
* Component
* DVD
* HDMI 1
* HDMI 2.

3 Year Warranty.

USB Formats to FAT 32.

PVR records Freeview to USB but not Analog, havent explored other
inputs.(.tb files, haven't worked out what they are yet)
Remote has button marked 'RecList' to show a list of what is recorded by
the PVR to USB. Shows up as program name (eg TV1 news)

Going to the 'Media' input doesn't show what you've recorded via PVR,
but will show .jpg's and play .mov and .mp4 movies (the .mov's were
1920 x 1080, the Mp4's 640 x 480)
There is Music and Text options, but I haven't tried them yet.

Does Time shifting to USB from what I can work out.

Works fine as a second Monitor for my PC, though my Mrs still gets the
creeps when I move a window from one screen to the other.

Teletext

Colour is somewhat yellow, no individual RGB adjustments.
Default brilliance / contrast / colour all to high though the setup menu
say's they are at 50%

3.5" External USB HD shuts the TV down.Though an 8 GB USB Memory stick
seemed to work fine


Best
Paul.
(off to read the Manual!)

[Frank Williams]

Post by PeeCee
I've been on the look out for a smaller TV with Freeview tuner for some
time now and hadn't found anything under 22"
It had to be under 22" to fit where I needed it to go.
Finally found some advertised in this weeks Warehouse junk mailer with a
'bring in your old telly for 20% off deal on their new Veon brand.
Two models under 22"
15.6" Transonic $249 (smaller screen, less inputs, no DVD = less value IMHO)
And 19" Veon with built in DVD player $299
Didn't do the trade in thing but bought one of the 19" Veon one's.
Salesman said the Veon brand was Chinese OEM (as one would expect) built
with Samsung or LG Panels.
Easy to set up, plugged it in, switched it on, hit enter on the remote
twice and it auto scanned for all the channels.
Has twin tuners Digital Freeview of course, and Analog which I find
brilliant as it means I can still watch SKY via RF out and the coax feed
through the house. Though naturally the RF feed does not compare well
quality wise with Freeview.
DVD player (slot feed) played a DVD R without problem.
* Analog TV
* Freeview TV
* Media (USB)
* AV (L - R & Video)
* PC (VGA 1366 x 768)
* Component
* DVD
* HDMI 1
* HDMI 2.
3 Year Warranty.
USB Formats to FAT 32.
PVR records Freeview to USB but not Analog, havent explored other
inputs.(.tb files, haven't worked out what they are yet)
Remote has button marked 'RecList' to show a list of what is recorded by
the PVR to USB. Shows up as program name (eg TV1 news)
Going to the 'Media' input doesn't show what you've recorded via PVR,
but will show .jpg's and play .mov and .mp4 movies (the .mov's were
1920 x 1080, the Mp4's 640 x 480)
There is Music and Text options, but I haven't tried them yet.
Does Time shifting to USB from what I can work out.
Works fine as a second Monitor for my PC, though my Mrs still gets the
creeps when I move a window from one screen to the other.
Teletext
Colour is somewhat yellow, no individual RGB adjustments.
Default brilliance / contrast / colour all to high though the setup menu
say's they are at 50%
3.5" External USB HD shuts the TV down.Though an 8 GB USB Memory stick
seemed to work fine
Best
Paul.
(off to read the Manual!)

I went to the Local store on Tuesday from memory All the Small screen
model sizes had very bad a dark screens, the 47" was OK and the Sanyo
had far better screens, I found the remote and tried to adjust the
screen used custom mode, the Standard mode what was it was set to, the
other Dynamic was still no good, to get a decent brightness the Whites
would burn out and lack details



Yes I did get hold of the manual.



Just look at the screen specs, the same as the Transonic, Utter CRAP.


High brightness: 250cd/m2
Contrast ratio: 1000:1

Sanyo you can se why its better.

Contrast: 3000: 1
• Brightness: 480 nit

Good brand TV's have Contrast ratio in the 1.000.000

Or any mention at all of having twintuners.

Keep well away is all I can say.

[EMB]

Post by PeeCee
3.5" External USB HD shuts the TV down.

Drop a decent powered USB hub between the TV and the HDD.

[PeeCee]

Post by EMB

Post by PeeCee
3.5" External USB HD shuts the TV down.

Drop a decent powered USB hub between the TV and the HDD.

Not that simple unfortunately.

I've plugged a 2.5" USB Ext HD in hat has known high current demand
issues and it worked fine.
So it's not a "power" issue.

I havent had time to dig out and try another externally powered USB hard
drive but I 'suspect' it might be grounding issues.

Best
Paul.

[Greg Wong]

Post by PeeCee

Post by EMB

Post by PeeCee
3.5" External USB HD shuts the TV down.

Drop a decent powered USB hub between the TV and the HDD.

Not that simple unfortunately.
I've plugged a 2.5" USB Ext HD in hat has known high current demand
issues and it worked fine.
So it's not a "power" issue.
I havent had time to dig out and try another externally powered USB hard
drive but I 'suspect' it might be grounding issues.
Best
Paul.

USB is rated at 0,5Amps only


Look up some specs.

[Richard]

Post by Greg Wong

Post by PeeCee

Post by EMB

Post by PeeCee
3.5" External USB HD shuts the TV down.

Drop a decent powered USB hub between the TV and the HDD.

Not that simple unfortunately.
I've plugged a 2.5" USB Ext HD in hat has known high current demand
issues and it worked fine.
So it's not a "power" issue.
I havent had time to dig out and try another externally powered USB hard
drive but I 'suspect' it might be grounding issues.
Best
Paul.

USB is rated at 0,5Amps only
Look up some specs.

Yeah, and everything ignores those specs except some old mac's that
would throw a warning when you plugged a 2.5" drive in.

a 1tb in a case works fine on mine, but I have had it shutdown when
using a card reader with some of my SD cards, reformatting them made
them work ok - so not a hardware issue, just software.

[~misfit~]

Somewhere on teh intarwebs PeeCee wrote:


[snip all]

Thanks for the review Paul, always good to read a competent 'hands-on'
report.

[Greg Wong]

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 12:35:24 +1200, "~misfit~"

Post by ~misfit~
[snip all]
Thanks for the review Paul, always good to read a competent 'hands-on'
report.

Totally Incompetent the chap did not know a thing about TV at all or USB
ports..

[Bruce Sinclair]

Post by Greg Wong
On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 12:35:24 +1200, "~misfit~"

Post by ~misfit~
[snip all]
Thanks for the review Paul, always good to read a competent 'hands-on'
report.

Totally Incompetent the chap did not know a thing about TV at all or USB
ports..

Ah excellent. The Crap (tm) mark awarded. Means it must be good. :)

[Me]

Post by PeeCee
I've been on the look out for a smaller TV with Freeview tuner for some
time now and hadn't found anything under 22"
It had to be under 22" to fit where I needed it to go.
Finally found some advertised in this weeks Warehouse junk mailer with a
'bring in your old telly for 20% off deal on their new Veon brand.
Two models under 22"
15.6" Transonic $249 (smaller screen, less inputs, no DVD = less value IMHO)
And 19" Veon with built in DVD player $299
Didn't do the trade in thing but bought one of the 19" Veon one's.
Salesman said the Veon brand was Chinese OEM (as one would expect) built
with Samsung or LG Panels.

I read this review, and they do seem to be a tidy design with LED
backlight, and sensible matt bezel. I wanted to buy a small LCD TV to
replace one which had something hit the screen during the Feb 22 quake
here. The Warehouse has "no stock" stickers on their display models at
my local store.
The salesman who spoke to you was almost certainly wrong. The panel in
these is a TN type, not the type of panel used in premium LCD TVS - VA
(Samsung panels, used in Sony TVs etc) or IPS - (LG panels, used in
Panasonic etc). A quick check (which may not be always correct) is that
if you look at the panel through polarising sunglasses in normal
orientation, IPS panels will "black out" and VA panels will "black out"
if you rotate the glasses 90 degrees.
A typical TN panel (ie in a laptop) will "black out" if you rotate the
glasses 45 degrees (clockwise or anticlockwise - depends which way up
the screen is mounted)
That said, it doesn't seem like a bad TN panel, side viewing angle is
pretty good, not a huge contrast loss or dark contrast inversion.
They look okay.
<snip>

Post by PeeCee
Colour is somewhat yellow, no individual RGB adjustments.
Default brilliance / contrast / colour all to high though the setup menu
say's they are at 50%

Yes - they do look quite yellow when sitting alongside other TVs on
display. Perhaps they've been "over-adjusted" somehow - for the peaky
blue colour spectra of white LEDs. But colour fidelity is, within
reason, unimportant when viewing media content on a TV, as your eyes
adjust well to compensate. Colour fidelity in display devices is very
important when you're trying to match the display with something else, -
another display, a printer, etc.
For a TV, the "best" setting is the one /you/ like.
Contrast (not only contrast change at different viewing angle) is a
usual failing of TN panel displays, particularly toward the bright and
dark end, where white or black "crush" occurs - perhaps due to the
inability of the LCD subpixels to react in a very linear manner when
they're at the extreme, or perhaps due to (or possibly exacerbated by)
the use of 6 bit DA converters.

[Richard]

Post by PeeCee
I've been on the look out for a smaller TV with Freeview tuner for some
time now and hadn't found anything under 22"
It had to be under 22" to fit where I needed it to go.

I was tempted to get one for the kitchen to replace the aging 4:3 14"
CRT - will mean I can set the output of the skybox to 16:9 instead of
letterbox when I eliminate that as its the only tv I have that doesnt
support 16:9.

Anyway, the one I saw in the shop looked aweful, matt grey plastic case,
crooked badge that I was able to twist and move - seemed to be just
taped on - so possibly removable if there is nothing under it.

But sorry, the idea of buying a TV with in inbuilt DVD player is absurd
IMO, slot loading, hard to get to once wallmounted unless you leave a
gap beside it, and its a DVD player. Not bluray.

The 22" with 20% off for taking in a crap old CRT is what I am still
umming and ahhing about, not really sure what else there is out there
that small but with a digital tuner in them. Comparing the prices to
kogan.com.au's prices its still way up on where a nobrander should be IMO.

[Mutlley]

Post by Richard

Post by PeeCee
I've been on the look out for a smaller TV with Freeview tuner for some
time now and hadn't found anything under 22"
It had to be under 22" to fit where I needed it to go.

I was tempted to get one for the kitchen to replace the aging 4:3 14"
CRT - will mean I can set the output of the skybox to 16:9 instead of
letterbox when I eliminate that as its the only tv I have that doesnt
support 16:9.
Anyway, the one I saw in the shop looked aweful, matt grey plastic case,
crooked badge that I was able to twist and move - seemed to be just
taped on - so possibly removable if there is nothing under it.
But sorry, the idea of buying a TV with in inbuilt DVD player is absurd
IMO, slot loading, hard to get to once wallmounted unless you leave a
gap beside it, and its a DVD player. Not bluray.

I made the mistake about 15 years ago of buying a TV with a VCR built
in. The VCR died long before the TV and was impossible to repair..

[Richard]

Post by Mutlley

Post by Richard
But sorry, the idea of buying a TV with in inbuilt DVD player is absurd
IMO, slot loading, hard to get to once wallmounted unless you leave a
gap beside it, and its a DVD player. Not bluray.

I made the mistake about 15 years ago of buying a TV with a VCR built
in. The VCR died long before the TV and was impossible to repair..

Its as useless as a floppydrive in a PC IMO. it has an SD or USB slot,
why the hell would you burn stuff to a DVD to play in standard def?

[malone]

Just a couple of questions I can't get answers to on-line

- is there a composite or component input?

- will these TVs manage analogue VHF?

[Greg Wong]

Post by malone
Just a couple of questions I can't get answers to on-line
- is there a composite or component input?
- will these TVs manage analogue VHF?

Yes but Totally CRAP TV's


Don't waste you money on them..

[JasonSbx]

Post by Richard
But sorry, the idea of buying a TV with in inbuilt DVD player is absurd
IMO, slot loading, hard to get to once wallmounted unless you leave a
gap beside it, and its a DVD player. Not bluray.

Just pretend it's not there its probably only adding $5 to the price
anyway.
For a second low use TV, flaws aside its hard to beat
The main downside I've found is the speakers are bit too far toward
the tinny end.

[PeeCee]

Post by Greg Wong

Post by malone
Just a couple of questions I can't get answers to on-line
- is there a composite or component input?
- will these TVs manage analogue VHF?

Yes but Totally CRAP TV's
Don't waste you money on them..

mmmmm

Lets see now.

They come with a 3 year warranty.
3 * 365 = 1095 days
$299 / 1095 = 27.3 cents per day.
i.e. for 27.3 cents per day the Warehouse guarantee you a TV.
Do what I did and take in a 14" TV, get $59.80 off a 19" Veon and the
maths come down to 21.8 cents a day.
(there is 430 14" CRT TV's on Trademe today, a lot are at $1 reserve &
will be lucky to sell)

TV dies, DVD stops working... who cares, that's the Warehouse's worry.
No parts left, again who cares they either give you another TV or give
you your money back.

Colour.
Yes I've seen better.
But! wind the contrast/brilliance/colour back and to a lot of people it
will be perfectly adequate.

As a 'service man' you will have seen how many TV's come in with
dreadfull contrast/brillance/colour settings.
Set them right and the first thing the customer does is go back to what
it was 'because they want to see the colour they paid for' either that
or their eyesight is not as perfect as your's is.

Availablility.
Face it Woger it's the only game in town.
NONE of the other brands sell a sub 22" LCD TV with Freeview tuners.
The Warehouse at Te Rapa Hamilton 'can not get enough of them'

Context.
Warehouse staff tell me customers are buying them for Caravans,
Bedrooms, Kitchens...
i.e. Low cost, good enough for what is asked of it.
For the 'big picture' in the lounge, I would quite agree the big brands
provide a better picture/sound etc.
But for watching Coro or Master Chef while preparing / eating dinner

Post by Greg Wong
good enough<

I bought 2 x 15" S&V TV's some time ago from the Supermarket.
Yep cheap "Crap" (TM) and the speakers in them 'were' crap.
But 'within their usage envelope' (headphone permanently plugged in =
clean audio) both have provied totaly reliable and 'useable'


Best
Paul.

[Greg Wong]

Post by PeeCee

Post by Greg Wong

Post by malone
Just a couple of questions I can't get answers to on-line
- is there a composite or component input?
- will these TVs manage analogue VHF?

Yes but Totally CRAP TV's
Don't waste you money on them..

mmmmm
Lets see now.
They come with a 3 year warranty.
3 * 365 = 1095 days
$299 / 1095 = 27.3 cents per day.
i.e. for 27.3 cents per day the Warehouse guarantee you a TV.
Do what I did and take in a 14" TV, get $59.80 off a 19" Veon and the
maths come down to 21.8 cents a day.
(there is 430 14" CRT TV's on Trademe today, a lot are at $1 reserve &
will be lucky to sell)
TV dies, DVD stops working... who cares, that's the Warehouse's worry.
No parts left, again who cares they either give you another TV or give
you your money back.
Colour.
Yes I've seen better.
But! wind the contrast/brilliance/colour back and to a lot of people it
will be perfectly adequate.
As a 'service man' you will have seen how many TV's come in with
dreadfull contrast/brillance/colour settings.

I was after getting one for myself for the Kitchen, I was disgusted in
the Picture found the remote and tried to adjust brightness, as its far
to dark, when I did the whites just burnt out..

Look at the Specs they 100% the same as the Transonic, may be its just
a re-brand job.


Why would you need twin tuners in a TV as you can only watch one, unless
its for a Picture in Picture thing.

No mention on the Warehouse web sit..

[Richard]

Post by Greg Wong

Post by PeeCee

Post by Greg Wong

Post by malone
Just a couple of questions I can't get answers to on-line
- is there a composite or component input?
- will these TVs manage analogue VHF?

Yes but Totally CRAP TV's
Don't waste you money on them..

mmmmm
Lets see now.
They come with a 3 year warranty.
3 * 365 = 1095 days
$299 / 1095 = 27.3 cents per day.
i.e. for 27.3 cents per day the Warehouse guarantee you a TV.
Do what I did and take in a 14" TV, get $59.80 off a 19" Veon and the
maths come down to 21.8 cents a day.
(there is 430 14" CRT TV's on Trademe today, a lot are at $1 reserve&
will be lucky to sell)
TV dies, DVD stops working... who cares, that's the Warehouse's worry.
No parts left, again who cares they either give you another TV or give
you your money back.
Colour.
Yes I've seen better.
But! wind the contrast/brilliance/colour back and to a lot of people it
will be perfectly adequate.
As a 'service man' you will have seen how many TV's come in with
dreadfull contrast/brillance/colour settings.

I was after getting one for myself for the Kitchen, I was disgusted in
the Picture found the remote and tried to adjust brightness, as its far
to dark, when I did the whites just burnt out..
Look at the Specs they 100% the same as the Transonic, may be its just
a re-brand job.
Why would you need twin tuners in a TV as you can only watch one, unless
its for a Picture in Picture thing.
No mention on the Warehouse web sit..

No backlight control on the 24", I assume the others are the same. So
its too bright in a dark room.

Brightness up to 54 is all you get before it starts to show grey for
black, and knock the contrast back a little - and the colour too and it
looks good enough.

but the UI is SLOOOOOOOOW - takes atleast 5 seconds to change between
the digital and analog tuners, and about the same to change between
digital and the composite input. Once I get the HDMI matrix switch that
will hopefully not be an issue at least.

[PeeCee]

Post by malone
Just a couple of questions I can't get answers to on-line
- is there a composite or component input?
- will these TVs manage analogue VHF?

Refer to my OP

AV in (L + R & Video) (aka Composite)
Component (aka Y,Pb,Pr)
Twin Tuners, digital (aka digital Freeview)
"and" Analog (aka the current system since the 60's)

e.g. my Zeon has Channel 1 ATV tuner (analog) tuned to "TV1" from Te
Aroha on 45.25MHZ (ie in the VHF band)

Best
Paul.

[PeeCee]

Post by PeeCee

Post by malone
Just a couple of questions I can't get answers to on-line
- is there a composite or component input?
- will these TVs manage analogue VHF?

Refer to my OP
AV in (L + R & Video) (aka Composite)
Component (aka Y,Pb,Pr)
Twin Tuners, digital (aka digital Freeview)
"and" Analog (aka the current system since the 60's)
e.g. my Zeon has Channel 1 ATV tuner (analog) tuned to "TV1" from Te
Aroha on 45.25MHZ (ie in the VHF band)
Best
Paul.

Sorry make that Veon.
P.

[malone]

Post by PeeCee

Post by PeeCee

Post by malone
Just a couple of questions I can't get answers to on-line
- is there a composite or component input?
- will these TVs manage analogue VHF?

Refer to my OP
AV in (L + R & Video) (aka Composite)
Component (aka Y,Pb,Pr)
Twin Tuners, digital (aka digital Freeview)
"and" Analog (aka the current system since the 60's)
e.g. my Zeon has Channel 1 ATV tuner (analog) tuned to "TV1" from Te
Aroha on 45.25MHZ (ie in the VHF band)
Best
Paul.

Sorry make that Veon.
P.

Very sorry Paul - only picked up this thread part way though. And thanks
for the info. Looked for a handbook to download without success...

[Richard]

Post by malone
Just a couple of questions I can't get answers to on-line
- is there a composite or component input?
- will these TVs manage analogue VHF?

Yes, but audio is shared between the composite and component. No s-video
if you have an old game console or something that only does that and not
component.

The Red/yellow/white plugs are too far away from the red/green/blue ones
for my old xbox;s component cable to reach both sets without some
surgery to it.

Analog tuner performance in the 24" I got is dire, and there is no zoom
mode that will get a 16:9 letterboxed in a 4:3 image to fullscreen so I
have to set my sky box for 16:9 output which means that its messed up on
the old 4:3 tv in the garage. Will probably get a couple more with the
old TV trade in next week. finishes on the 4th but I dont recall an
expiry on the coupon, just when they will take the old dungers. Will
have to borrow a wagon or hatch so I can get the old mitsi diva up
there, its a big bastard.

[~misfit~]

Post by Richard

Post by malone
Just a couple of questions I can't get answers to on-line
- is there a composite or component input?
- will these TVs manage analogue VHF?

Yes, but audio is shared between the composite and component. No
s-video if you have an old game console or something that only does
that and not component.
The Red/yellow/white plugs are too far away from the red/green/blue
ones for my old xbox;s component cable to reach both sets without some
surgery to it.

Surely you have an RCA[female] -> RCA[male] extension in your drawer of
cables? I know I have a couple, I figured most folks my age who've been
tinkering with TVs/HT systems for a while would have.

I'm sure you can buy one at DSE or Jaycar....

Post by Richard
Analog tuner performance in the 24" I got is dire, and there is no
zoom mode that will get a 16:9 letterboxed in a 4:3 image to
fullscreen so I have to set my sky box for 16:9 output which means
that its messed up on the old 4:3 tv in the garage. Will probably get
a couple more with the old TV trade in next week. finishes on the 4th
but I dont recall an expiry on the coupon, just when they will take
the old dungers. Will have to borrow a wagon or hatch so I can get
the old mitsi diva up there, its a big bastard.

Heh! I had one of those Divas. The 'swivel' stand using the remote was
always good for cutting down reflections if I was in my chair or lying on
the couch.

[Richard]

Post by Richard

Post by malone
Just a couple of questions I can't get answers to on-line
- is there a composite or component input?
- will these TVs manage analogue VHF?

Yes, but audio is shared between the composite and component. No
s-video if you have an old game console or something that only does
that and not component.
The Red/yellow/white plugs are too far away from the red/green/blue
ones for my old xbox;s component cable to reach both sets without some
surgery to it.

Surely you have an RCA[female] -> RCA[male] extension in your drawer of
cables? I know I have a couple, I figured most folks my age who've been
tinkering with TVs/HT systems for a while would have.
I'm sure you can buy one at DSE or Jaycar....

Yes, but its not something you expect to have to do. Im using some cheap
RCA Y cables and just putting both audios into the TV, and they give the
length needed. So long as the other source is off it doesnt seem to load
down the source I am using too much.

Post by Richard
Analog tuner performance in the 24" I got is dire, and there is no
zoom mode that will get a 16:9 letterboxed in a 4:3 image to
fullscreen so I have to set my sky box for 16:9 output which means
that its messed up on the old 4:3 tv in the garage. Will probably get
a couple more with the old TV trade in next week. finishes on the 4th
but I dont recall an expiry on the coupon, just when they will take
the old dungers. Will have to borrow a wagon or hatch so I can get
the old mitsi diva up there, its a big bastard.

Heh! I had one of those Divas. The 'swivel' stand using the remote was
always good for cutting down reflections if I was in my chair or lying on
the couch.

Yeah, Vertical deflection is dying on it, thumping it gets it working
for a while and when it worked it had a great picture, but really you
have to be so far away from a CRT that its a moot point, as a 32" LCD
gives more image and you can be closer to it.

[~misfit~]

Post by Richard

Post by Richard

Post by malone
Just a couple of questions I can't get answers to on-line
- is there a composite or component input?
- will these TVs manage analogue VHF?

Yes, but audio is shared between the composite and component. No
s-video if you have an old game console or something that only does
that and not component.
The Red/yellow/white plugs are too far away from the red/green/blue
ones for my old xbox;s component cable to reach both sets without
some surgery to it.

Surely you have an RCA[female] -> RCA[male] extension in your
drawer of cables? I know I have a couple, I figured most folks my
age who've been tinkering with TVs/HT systems for a while would have.
I'm sure you can buy one at DSE or Jaycar....

Yes, but its not something you expect to have to do.

Ehhh, every set has it's foibles, especially one that is very cheap.

Post by Richard
Im using some
cheap RCA Y cables and just putting both audios into the TV, and they
give the length needed. So long as the other source is off it doesnt
seem to load down the source I am using too much.

<g> Hardly "surgery" then? ;-)

Post by Richard

Post by Richard
Analog tuner performance in the 24" I got is dire, and there is no
zoom mode that will get a 16:9 letterboxed in a 4:3 image to
fullscreen so I have to set my sky box for 16:9 output which means
that its messed up on the old 4:3 tv in the garage. Will probably
get a couple more with the old TV trade in next week. finishes on
the 4th but I dont recall an expiry on the coupon, just when they
will take the old dungers. Will have to borrow a wagon or hatch so
I can get the old mitsi diva up there, its a big bastard.

Heh! I had one of those Divas. The 'swivel' stand using the remote
was always good for cutting down reflections if I was in my chair or
lying on the couch.

Yeah, Vertical deflection is dying on it, thumping it gets it working
for a while and when it worked it had a great picture, but really you
have to be so far away from a CRT that its a moot point, as a 32" LCD
gives more image and you can be closer to it.

Oh, for sure. I was just reminiscing about the days when a Diva was /the/
shit when it came to TVs..... So many connections too, made it very easy to
use with my fledgling home theatre. IIRC I could use the TV's speakers as
'centre channel', my first incarnation of a HT didn't have a discrete centre
speaker, the Divas speakers (with built-in subwoofer!) did admirably.

Mind you, back then the 'media player' was a pair of Mitsi Black Diamond
stereo / NICAM / 6-head VCRs that had a great jog/shuttle control system.
Frame-by-frame advance. I used to record 'Juice' overnight and then dub up
my own videotapes later. Labeled 'chill-out', 'background', 'rockin' and
'party', numbers 1, 2, 3, etc.... Those were the days, when I wasn't living
on an invalid's benefit. <g>

[Greg Wong]

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 14:17:27 +1300, "~misfit~"

Post by Richard

Post by ~misfit~
Heh! I had one of those Divas. The 'swivel' stand using the remote
was always good for cutting down reflections if I was in my chair or
lying on the couch.

Yeah, Vertical deflection is dying on it, thumping it gets it working
for a while and when it worked it had a great picture, but really you
have to be so far away from a CRT that its a moot point, as a 32" LCD
gives more image and you can be closer to it.

a 32" LCD is not the correct replacement for a 29" CRT, they list 37"or
40"

http://www.screenmath.com/

http://www.displaywars.com/

[Richard]

Post by Greg Wong
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 14:17:27 +1300, "~misfit~"

Post by Richard

Post by ~misfit~
Heh! I had one of those Divas. The 'swivel' stand using the remote
was always good for cutting down reflections if I was in my chair or
lying on the couch.

Yeah, Vertical deflection is dying on it, thumping it gets it working
for a while and when it worked it had a great picture, but really you
have to be so far away from a CRT that its a moot point, as a 32" LCD
gives more image and you can be closer to it.

a 32" LCD is not the correct replacement for a 29" CRT, they list 37"or
40"
http://www.screenmath.com/

That one is saying to get the same height so that old shit is the same
size. Old stuff is already pillarboxed so when watching on my 4:3 its
way small unless I go screw around and change the reciever to center
cut, which isnt worth the bother.

What matters is the width, since everything is widescreen now.

And they list 22 as the replacement size for a 27 which is what a 29"
really is, since the US fixed that problem of tube measurements ages ago

Post by Greg Wong
http://www.displaywars.com/

that shows that I am losing a half inch height going to a 32" wide vs a
27" 4:3 - hardly signifigant.

[Greg Wong]

Post by Richard

Post by Greg Wong
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 14:17:27 +1300, "~misfit~"

Post by Richard

Post by ~misfit~
Heh! I had one of those Divas. The 'swivel' stand using the remote
was always good for cutting down reflections if I was in my chair or
lying on the couch.

Yeah, Vertical deflection is dying on it, thumping it gets it working
for a while and when it worked it had a great picture, but really you
have to be so far away from a CRT that its a moot point, as a 32" LCD
gives more image and you can be closer to it.

a 32" LCD is not the correct replacement for a 29" CRT, they list 37"or
40"
http://www.screenmath.com/

That one is saying to get the same height so that old shit is the same
size. Old stuff is already pillarboxed so when watching on my 4:3 its
way small unless I go screw around and change the reciever to center
cut, which isnt worth the bother.
What matters is the width, since everything is widescreen now.

Did you not read the articles its the HEIGTH, I did some research into
this when I replaced my 29"and 25" and 21"TV's

Post by Richard
And they list 22 as the replacement size for a 27 which is what a 29"
really is, since the US fixed that problem of tube measurements ages ago

This sounds totally wrong have you got it all the Wrong way.

Post by Richard

Post by Greg Wong
http://www.displaywars.com/

that shows that I am losing a half inch height going to a 32" wide vs a
27" 4:3 - hardly signifigant.

Never ever heard of a 27" TV screen as I have serviced TV's for some
time.

[Richard]

Post by Greg Wong

Post by Richard

Post by Greg Wong
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 14:17:27 +1300, "~misfit~"

Post by Richard

Post by ~misfit~
Heh! I had one of those Divas. The 'swivel' stand using the remote
was always good for cutting down reflections if I was in my chair or
lying on the couch.

Yeah, Vertical deflection is dying on it, thumping it gets it working
for a while and when it worked it had a great picture, but really you
have to be so far away from a CRT that its a moot point, as a 32" LCD
gives more image and you can be closer to it.

a 32" LCD is not the correct replacement for a 29" CRT, they list 37"or
40"
http://www.screenmath.com/

That one is saying to get the same height so that old shit is the same
size. Old stuff is already pillarboxed so when watching on my 4:3 its
way small unless I go screw around and change the reciever to center
cut, which isnt worth the bother.
What matters is the width, since everything is widescreen now.

Did you not read the articles its the HEIGTH, I did some research into
this when I replaced my 29"and 25" and 21"TV's

Why would I get the same height as my old tube tv, when all the top and
bottom 1/8th of the screen ever shows on the old TV is a black bar. The
height of the picture on a 32" widescreen is greater than what a tube
TV's height of the picture is. The height of the tube is immaterial
since 1/4 of it is never used.

Post by Greg Wong

Post by Richard
And they list 22 as the replacement size for a 27 which is what a 29"
really is, since the US fixed that problem of tube measurements ages ago

This sounds totally wrong have you got it all the Wrong way.

Yeah I meant 32 and did a typo.

Post by Greg Wong

Post by Richard

Post by Greg Wong
http://www.displaywars.com/

that shows that I am losing a half inch height going to a 32" wide vs a
27" 4:3 - hardly signifigant.

Never ever heard of a 27" TV screen as I have serviced TV's for some
time.

Google it. Anything sold as a 29 here is a 27" in countries where they
gave a crap about customers getting what they paid for. You lose about
2" of screen size from the tube size on CRT's, and in some cases even a
little more. Go and measure the image on a 29" CRT and it will not be
29", so using the tube measurement when converting image sizes is incorrect.

[Greg Wong]

Post by Richard

Post by Greg Wong

Post by Richard

Post by Greg Wong
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 14:17:27 +1300, "~misfit~"

Post by Richard

Post by ~misfit~
Heh! I had one of those Divas. The 'swivel' stand using the remote
was always good for cutting down reflections if I was in my chair or
lying on the couch.

Yeah, Vertical deflection is dying on it, thumping it gets it working
for a while and when it worked it had a great picture, but really you
have to be so far away from a CRT that its a moot point, as a 32" LCD
gives more image and you can be closer to it.

a 32" LCD is not the correct replacement for a 29" CRT, they list 37"or
40"
http://www.screenmath.com/

That one is saying to get the same height so that old shit is the same
size. Old stuff is already pillarboxed so when watching on my 4:3 its
way small unless I go screw around and change the reciever to center
cut, which isnt worth the bother.
What matters is the width, since everything is widescreen now.

Did you not read the articles its the HEIGTH, I did some research into
this when I replaced my 29"and 25" and 21"TV's

Why would I get the same height as my old tube tv, when all the top and
bottom 1/8th of the screen ever shows on the old TV is a black bar. The
height of the picture on a 32" widescreen is greater than what a tube
TV's height of the picture is. The height of the tube is immaterial
since 1/4 of it is never used.

Because that is the way you receive it on a old CRT 4:3 TV, but not
on a wide 16:9 screen with a Freeview digital input, go look up some
Facts..


You are TOTTALY CONFUSED

Post by Richard

Post by Greg Wong

Post by Richard
And they list 22 as the replacement size for a 27 which is what a 29"
really is, since the US fixed that problem of tube measurements ages ago

This sounds totally wrong have you got it all the Wrong way.

Yeah I meant 32 and did a typo.

Post by Greg Wong

Post by Richard

Post by Greg Wong
http://www.displaywars.com/

that shows that I am losing a half inch height going to a 32" wide vs a
27" 4:3 - hardly signifigant.

Never ever heard of a 27" TV screen as I have serviced TV's for some
time.

Google it. Anything sold as a 29 here is a 27" in countries where they
gave a crap about customers getting what they paid for. You lose about
2" of screen size from the tube size on CRT's, and in some cases even a
little more. Go and measure the image on a 29" CRT and it will not be
29", so using the tube measurement when converting image sizes is incorrect.

You don't seem to know any thing at all about screen sizes, the 29"
screen is the size taken from a circle, FROM CORNER TO CORNER.


GO READ THE LINKS THAT I POSTED..

[Richard]

Post by Greg Wong

Post by Richard

Post by Greg Wong

Post by Richard

Post by Greg Wong
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 14:17:27 +1300, "~misfit~"

Post by Richard

Post by ~misfit~
Heh! I had one of those Divas. The 'swivel' stand using the remote
was always good for cutting down reflections if I was in my chair or
lying on the couch.

Yeah, Vertical deflection is dying on it, thumping it gets it working
for a while and when it worked it had a great picture, but really you
have to be so far away from a CRT that its a moot point, as a 32" LCD
gives more image and you can be closer to it.

a 32" LCD is not the correct replacement for a 29" CRT, they list 37"or
40"
http://www.screenmath.com/

That one is saying to get the same height so that old shit is the same
size. Old stuff is already pillarboxed so when watching on my 4:3 its
way small unless I go screw around and change the reciever to center
cut, which isnt worth the bother.
What matters is the width, since everything is widescreen now.

Did you not read the articles its the HEIGTH, I did some research into
this when I replaced my 29"and 25" and 21"TV's

Why would I get the same height as my old tube tv, when all the top and
bottom 1/8th of the screen ever shows on the old TV is a black bar. The
height of the picture on a 32" widescreen is greater than what a tube
TV's height of the picture is. The height of the tube is immaterial
since 1/4 of it is never used.

Because that is the way you receive it on a old CRT 4:3 TV, but not
on a wide 16:9 screen with a Freeview digital input, go look up some
Facts..
You are TOTTALY CONFUSED

No, you are confused. If I have an old 29" (27 viewable) CRT screen,
watching any currently available sources (16:9, letterboxed by the
reciever) I will get a picture of a certain width, that width is limited
by how wide the image area of the tube is.

An equivilant LCD screen will have the same width, the height of the
picture area will be less than the CRT but that will not matter as 25%
(roughly) of the CRT will never be used as it only shows the
letterboxing bars added by the digital reciever or DVD player.

I really dont see how you cant get that you need a SMALLER size screen
to get the same width of image when moving to a widescreen TV, and that
the height is immaterial as the old CRT does not fit the content.

Post by Greg Wong

Post by Richard

Post by Greg Wong

Post by Richard
And they list 22 as the replacement size for a 27 which is what a 29"
really is, since the US fixed that problem of tube measurements ages ago

This sounds totally wrong have you got it all the Wrong way.

Yeah I meant 32 and did a typo.

Post by Greg Wong

Post by Richard

Post by Greg Wong
http://www.displaywars.com/

that shows that I am losing a half inch height going to a 32" wide vs a
27" 4:3 - hardly signifigant.

Never ever heard of a 27" TV screen as I have serviced TV's for some
time.

Google it. Anything sold as a 29 here is a 27" in countries where they
gave a crap about customers getting what they paid for. You lose about
2" of screen size from the tube size on CRT's, and in some cases even a
little more. Go and measure the image on a 29" CRT and it will not be
29", so using the tube measurement when converting image sizes is incorrect.

You don't seem to know any thing at all about screen sizes, the 29"
screen is the size taken from a circle, FROM CORNER TO CORNER.
GO READ THE LINKS THAT I POSTED..

It is the diagonal measurement of the image, the US abandoned measuring
the tube a very long time ago, which never happened here.

a 27" TV has a 29" tube in it. GO read some links or something yourself.

[s***@gmail.com]

T

Post by PeeCee
I've been on the look out for a smaller TV with Freeview tuner for some
time now and hadn't found anything under 22"
It had to be under 22" to fit where I needed it to go.
Finally found some advertised in this weeks Warehouse junk mailer with a
'bring in your old telly for 20% off deal on their new Veon brand.
Two models under 22"
15.6" Transonic $249 (smaller screen, less inputs, no DVD = less value IMHO)
And 19" Veon with built in DVD player $299
Didn't do the trade in thing but bought one of the 19" Veon one's.
Salesman said the Veon brand was Chinese OEM (as one would expect) built
with Samsung or LG Panels.
Easy to set up, plugged it in, switched it on, hit enter on the remote
twice and it auto scanned for all the channels.
Has twin tuners Digital Freeview of course, and Analog which I find
brilliant as it means I can still watch SKY via RF out and the coax feed
through the house. Though naturally the RF feed does not compare well
quality wise with Freeview.
DVD player (slot feed) played a DVD R without problem.
* Analog TV
* Freeview TV
* Media (USB)
* AV (L - R & Video)
* PC (VGA 1366 x 768)
* Component
* DVD
* HDMI 1
* HDMI 2.
3 Year Warranty.
USB Formats to FAT 32.
PVR records Freeview to USB but not Analog, havent explored other
inputs.(.tb files, haven't worked out what they are yet)
Remote has button marked 'RecList' to show a list of what is recorded by
the PVR to USB. Shows up as program name (eg TV1 news)
Going to the 'Media' input doesn't show what you've recorded via PVR,
but will show .jpg's and play .mov and .mp4 movies (the .mov's were
1920 x 1080, the Mp4's 640 x 480)
There is Music and Text options, but I haven't tried them yet.
Does Time shifting to USB from what I can work out.
Works fine as a second Monitor for my PC, though my Mrs still gets the
creeps when I move a window from one screen to the other.
Teletext
Colour is somewhat yellow, no individual RGB adjustments.
Default brilliance / contrast / colour all to high though the setup menu
say's they are at 50%
3.5" External USB HD shuts the TV down.Though an 8 GB USB Memory stick
seemed to work fine
Best
Paul.
(off to read the Manual!)

Thanks so much for that info. Really appreciate it. Going in to get one for my uni student daughter tomorrow, now am very satisfied she will be getting something good. Cheers Sam.

[r***@gmail.com]

Post by PeeCee
I've been on the look out for a smaller TV with Freeview tuner for some
time now and hadn't found anything under 22"
It had to be under 22" to fit where I needed it to go.
Finally found some advertised in this weeks Warehouse junk mailer with a
'bring in your old telly for 20% off deal on their new Veon brand.
Two models under 22"
15.6" Transonic $249 (smaller screen, less inputs, no DVD = less value IMHO)
And 19" Veon with built in DVD player $299
Didn't do the trade in thing but bought one of the 19" Veon one's.
Salesman said the Veon brand was Chinese OEM (as one would expect) built
with Samsung or LG Panels.
Easy to set up, plugged it in, switched it on, hit enter on the remote
twice and it auto scanned for all the channels.
Has twin tuners Digital Freeview of course, and Analog which I find
brilliant as it means I can still watch SKY via RF out and the coax feed
through the house. Though naturally the RF feed does not compare well
quality wise with Freeview.
DVD player (slot feed) played a DVD R without problem.
* Analog TV
* Freeview TV
* Media (USB)
* AV (L - R & Video)
* PC (VGA 1366 x 768)
* Component
* DVD
* HDMI 1
* HDMI 2.
3 Year Warranty.
USB Formats to FAT 32.
PVR records Freeview to USB but not Analog, havent explored other
inputs.(.tb files, haven't worked out what they are yet)
Remote has button marked 'RecList' to show a list of what is recorded by
the PVR to USB. Shows up as program name (eg TV1 news)
Going to the 'Media' input doesn't show what you've recorded via PVR,
but will show .jpg's and play .mov and .mp4 movies (the .mov's were
1920 x 1080, the Mp4's 640 x 480)
There is Music and Text options, but I haven't tried them yet.
Does Time shifting to USB from what I can work out.
Works fine as a second Monitor for my PC, though my Mrs still gets the
creeps when I move a window from one screen to the other.
Teletext
Colour is somewhat yellow, no individual RGB adjustments.
Default brilliance / contrast / colour all to high though the setup menu
say's they are at 50%
3.5" External USB HD shuts the TV down.Though an 8 GB USB Memory stick
seemed to work fine
Best
Paul.
(off to read the Manual!)

[r***@gmail.com]

Post by PeeCee
I've been on the look out for a smaller TV with Freeview tuner for some
time now and hadn't found anything under 22"
It had to be under 22" to fit where I needed it to go.
Finally found some advertised in this weeks Warehouse junk mailer with a
'bring in your old telly for 20% off deal on their new Veon brand.
Two models under 22"
15.6" Transonic $249 (smaller screen, less inputs, no DVD = less value IMHO)
And 19" Veon with built in DVD player $299
Didn't do the trade in thing but bought one of the 19" Veon one's.
Salesman said the Veon brand was Chinese OEM (as one would expect) built
with Samsung or LG Panels.
Easy to set up, plugged it in, switched it on, hit enter on the remote
twice and it auto scanned for all the channels.
Has twin tuners Digital Freeview of course, and Analog which I find
brilliant as it means I can still watch SKY via RF out and the coax feed
through the house. Though naturally the RF feed does not compare well
quality wise with Freeview.
DVD player (slot feed) played a DVD R without problem.
* Analog TV
* Freeview TV
* Media (USB)
* AV (L - R & Video)
* PC (VGA 1366 x 768)
* Component
* DVD
* HDMI 1
* HDMI 2.
3 Year Warranty.
USB Formats to FAT 32.
PVR records Freeview to USB but not Analog, havent explored other
inputs.(.tb files, haven't worked out what they are yet)
Remote has button marked 'RecList' to show a list of what is recorde
I've been on the look out for a smaller TV with Freeview tuner for some
time now and hadn't found anything under 22"
It had to be under 22" to fit where I needed it to go.
Finally found some advertised in this weeks Warehouse junk mailer with a
'bring in your old telly for 20% off deal on their new Veon brand.
Two models under 22"
15.6" Transonic $249 (smaller screen, less inputs, no DVD = less value IMHO)
And 19" Veon with built in DVD player $299
Didn't do the trade in thing but bought one of the 19" Veon one's.
Salesman said the Veon brand was Chinese OEM (as one would expect) built
with Samsung or LG Panels.
Easy to set up, plugged it in, switched it on, hit enter on the remote
twice and it auto scanned for all the channels.
Has twin tuners Digital Freeview of course, and Analog which I find
brilliant as it means I can still watch SKY via RF out and the coax feed
through the house. Though naturally the RF feed does not compare well
quality wise with Freeview.
DVD player (slot feed) played a DVD R without problem.
* Analog TV
* Freeview TV
* Media (USB)
* AV (L - R & Video)
* PC (VGA 1366 x 768)
* Component
* DVD
* HDMI 1
* HDMI 2.
3 Year Warranty.
USB Formats to FAT 32.
PVR records Freeview to USB but not Analog, havent explored other
inputs.(.tb files, haven't worked out what they are yet)
Remote has button marked 'RecList' to show a list of what is recorded by
the PVR to USB. Shows up as program name (eg TV1 news)
Going to the 'Media' input doesn't show what you've recorded via PVR,
but will show .jpg's and play .mov and .mp4 movies (the .mov's were
1920 x 1080, the Mp4's 640 x 480)
There is Music and Text options, but I haven't tried them yet.
Does Time shifting to USB from what I can work out.
Works fine as a second Monitor for my PC, though my Mrs still gets the
creeps when I move a window from one screen to the other.
Teletext
Colour is somewhat yellow, no individual RGB adjustments.
Default brilliance / contrast / colour all to high though the setup menu
say's they are at 50%
3.5" External USB HD shuts the TV down.Though an 8 GB USB Memory stick
seemed to work fine
Best
Paul.
(off to read the Manual!)

Hi
You list the inputs BUT what about some outputs.I wonder how we are supposed to connect surround sound speakers ?

[Greg Wong]

Post by r***@gmail.com

Post by PeeCee
I've been on the look out for a smaller TV with Freeview tuner for some
time now and hadn't found anything under 22"
It had to be under 22" to fit where I needed it to go.
Finally found some advertised in this weeks Warehouse junk mailer with a
'bring in your old telly for 20% off deal on their new Veon brand.
Two models under 22"
15.6" Transonic $249 (smaller screen, less inputs, no DVD = less value IMHO)
And 19" Veon with built in DVD player $299
Didn't do the trade in thing but bought one of the 19" Veon one's.
Salesman said the Veon brand was Chinese OEM (as one would expect) built
with Samsung or LG Panels.
Easy to set up, plugged it in, switched it on, hit enter on the remote
twice and it auto scanned for all the channels.
Has twin tuners Digital Freeview of course, and Analog which I find
brilliant as it means I can still watch SKY via RF out and the coax feed
through the house. Though naturally the RF feed does not compare well
quality wise with Freeview.
DVD player (slot feed) played a DVD R without problem.
* Analog TV
* Freeview TV
* Media (USB)
* AV (L - R & Video)
* PC (VGA 1366 x 768)
* Component
* DVD
* HDMI 1
* HDMI 2.
3 Year Warranty.
USB Formats to FAT 32.
PVR records Freeview to USB but not Analog, havent explored other
inputs.(.tb files, haven't worked out what they are yet)
Remote has button marked 'RecList' to show a list of what is recorde
I've been on the look out for a smaller TV with Freeview tuner for some
time now and hadn't found anything under 22"
It had to be under 22" to fit where I needed it to go.
Finally found some advertised in this weeks Warehouse junk mailer with a
'bring in your old telly for 20% off deal on their new Veon brand.
Two models under 22"
15.6" Transonic $249 (smaller screen, less inputs, no DVD = less value IMHO)
And 19" Veon with built in DVD player $299
Didn't do the trade in thing but bought one of the 19" Veon one's.
Salesman said the Veon brand was Chinese OEM (as one would expect) built
with Samsung or LG Panels.
Easy to set up, plugged it in, switched it on, hit enter on the remote
twice and it auto scanned for all the channels.
Has twin tuners Digital Freeview of course, and Analog which I find
brilliant as it means I can still watch SKY via RF out and the coax feed
through the house. Though naturally the RF feed does not compare well
quality wise with Freeview.
DVD player (slot feed) played a DVD R without problem.
* Analog TV
* Freeview TV
* Media (USB)
* AV (L - R & Video)
* PC (VGA 1366 x 768)
* Component
* DVD
* HDMI 1
* HDMI 2.
3 Year Warranty.
USB Formats to FAT 32.
PVR records Freeview to USB but not Analog, havent explored other
inputs.(.tb files, haven't worked out what they are yet)
Remote has button marked 'RecList' to show a list of what is recorded by
the PVR to USB. Shows up as program name (eg TV1 news)
Going to the 'Media' input doesn't show what you've recorded via PVR,
but will show .jpg's and play .mov and .mp4 movies (the .mov's were
1920 x 1080, the Mp4's 640 x 480)
There is Music and Text options, but I haven't tried them yet.
Does Time shifting to USB from what I can work out.
Works fine as a second Monitor for my PC, though my Mrs still gets the
creeps when I move a window from one screen to the other.
Teletext
Colour is somewhat yellow, no individual RGB adjustments.
Default brilliance / contrast / colour all to high though the setup menu
say's they are at 50%
3.5" External USB HD shuts the TV down.Though an 8 GB USB Memory stick
seemed to work fine
Best
Paul.
(off to read the Manual!)

Hi
You list the inputs BUT what about some outputs.I wonder how we are supposed to connect surround sound speakers ?

These TV use very low grade TFT screens, with low brightness and
Contrast as well..

Read the Specs on there web site

They are not ISP screens at all, that are fitted to real brand TV's